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Category:Comic book editors[edit]

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Category:Ethnic groups in the Arab world[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: split. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT, largely duplicative of Category:Ethnic groups in the Middle East (which actually has a proper, identically named main article: Ethnic groups in the Middle East) and Category:Ethnic groups in North Africa, with an unnecessary focus on "Arab" in the title instead of recognising the ethnic diversity of the region. NLeeuw (talk) 22:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, ethnic groups in the Middle East and in North Africa are unrelated to each other (except for Arabs of course). Marcocapelle (talk) 00:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, per nom. --Aldij (talk) 16:20, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pornography in Australia[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge/rename as in the updated nomination. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT. Exactly the same scope. Category:Pornography in Australia was created today; Category:Australian pornography in 2011, so the latter should be the merge target to preserve the edit history. However, for consistency per WP:C2C and per main article Pornography in Austria per WP:C2D, Pornography in Australia should be the catname once the merger has been completed. That will leave Category:Pornography in Oceania a redundant layer with 1 C 0 P, so it should be upmerged to its parents for now without prejudice per WP:MFN. NLeeuw (talk) 21:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:IMAX venues in the United Kingdom[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category lacks subjects. Let'srun (talk) 20:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Communism in the Arab world[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT WP:OVERLAPCAT. All children are already in parents Category:Communism in Asia and Category:Communism in Asia (part of the Category:Political movements by continent tree), as well as Category:Communism by country). On the other hand, Category:Arab communists is in the Category:People by ethnicity and political orientation tree, which has been inappropriately intersected with the trees above. NLeeuw (talk) 06:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Added Conservatism and Monarchism which are very similar situations. Other siblings could be nominated as well, but I suggest we do them as follow-ups in order to not make this nomination overly complicated. NLeeuw (talk) 06:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Oppose this ongoing process of dismantling Category:Arab world one layer at a time. The above participants have argued for retention of this hierarchy, so this group appear to be safe for now. If any further nominations are made, rather than deletion of Arab world categories, the nom should suggest replacing them by building out "in the Middle East" and "in North Africa" hierarchies, which have been the targets of some other former Arab world categories – like the Ethnic groups nomination above. Category:Politics of North Africa is currently rather thin. – Fayenatic London 10:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair points. I guess this nomination was malformed from the start. I'll withdraw and start over with a better proposal at some later stage. NLeeuw (talk) 10:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    PS: I'm not necessarily advocating for the entire dismantling of the Category:Arab world tree per se. I'm looking at all the branches to see if they make sense or not, and what alternatives there may be. Some categories appear more justifiable than others. NLeeuw (talk) 10:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Punjabi people by occupation[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete/merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 14:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCEGRS, trivial intersection between occupation and ethnicity. There is mostly no need to merge, the articles are already in a parallel Indian or Pakistani category if applicable. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:29, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like a notable intersection [1][2]--User:Namiba 14:10, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is mainly about Indian descent, as the second link also illustrates. Hardly any of these articles is about someone of Pakistani descent, while a clear majority of Punjabi are Pakistanis. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Quebec Kebs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Defunct minor league team containing no articles except the team article, the arena it temporarily inhabited, and the coaches category. User:Namiba 14:43, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Defunct National Basketball League of Canada teams[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The NBLC itself is defunct. User:Namiba 14:44, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships[edit]

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Category:Rātana politicians[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. No prejudice against a new, specific nomination. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 16:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. No need to merge, the subcategory is already in the tree of the three potential targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are we certain there are no Rātana people who stood but were not elected? I would prefer to keep ‘politicians’, but delete ‘MPs’. If that is not preferred, then yes, I would still delete ‘politicians’. — HTGS (talk) 00:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: there seems to be a lot of confusion in this category (and in articles relating to Rātana as a political force). Some of these people are adherents of the Rātana faith who became MPs, others of them were MPs for the Rātana Party or (after affiliation with the Labour Party) MPs officially endorsed by the Rātana church. Soraya Peke-Mason, for example, is a Rātana, but not an official Rātana-endorsed MP. If that can be cleared up I'd support Marcocapelle's second suggestion (merging MPs into politicians). Grutness...wha? 14:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Marcocapelle, Grutness, and HTGS: what are your current thoughts? Which categories should (or should not) be merged to which categories? (I will note that Category:New Zealand Rātanas is now at Category:Rātana people.) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 11:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a baffling one. Perhaps Category:Rātana-endorsed MPs would make sense, but I'm not entirely convinced. Grutness...wha? 13:08, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • If they are actual Rātanas, then yes. If not, then just merge them back into the politician level, I suppose. Grutness...wha? 05:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Belgian Ministers of Defence[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated, except for downcasing the MOS:JOBTITLES. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:25, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename, "of country" seems to be the standard format. I am not sure about the capitalization. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:13, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the nom. Looking at the Category:Defense ministers by country category tree, the vast majority use a "Defence ministers of X" format, my original proposal was to rename any that don't to match the category tree per C2C. A similar situation is seen in the other ministers category trees. AusLondonder (talk) 20:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Paintings of the Sacrifice of Isaac[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:18, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, only very few articles in Category:Paintings of Isaac and it is not part of any other tree because Category:Sacrifice of Isaac or Category:Binding of Isaac does not exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Canadian people of Tajik descent[edit]

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Category:British people of Tajik descent[edit]

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Category:Caucasus Jews[edit]

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People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by ethnic or national origin[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:rename for consistency with the subcategories which are aĺl "by descent", as well as for consistency with Category:British people by descent at the top of the tree. This is follow-up after this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People of West Asian descent[edit]

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Category:Chinese retired emperors[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: More clear, consistent with related categories. Remsense诉 06:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. Preferably nominate the Japanese and Vietnamese sibling categories too. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Union Theological Seminary (New York City)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: In line with the main article about the subject, which was recently the subject of a requested move discussion that determined that the New York seminary is the primary topic for the title. Graham (talk) 04:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom – the previous discussion has established that Union Theological Seminary is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, so this should be followed in the category name. Robminchin (talk) 20:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could you clarify what you mean? As discussed in the RM discussion, of the five other articles listed on that disambiguation page:
  • Three of them use a name prefixed with a city and we were unable to find any references to any of them as simply "Union Theological Seminary". (As partial title matches, they're probably borderline cases as to whether they should even be listed in the body of the disambiguation page rather than the see also section.)
  • One of them (Union Presbyterian Seminary) was historically known as "Union Theological Seminary" but changed their name a number of years ago in part to distinguish themselves from the much better-known New York seminary. (By way of comparison, the fact that the University of Portland was historically known as "Columbia University" rightly doesn't stop the title Category:Columbia University from being used for the New York institution.)
  • One of them (Union Theological Seminary (Philippines)) is so obscure that, despite apparently being an English-language institution, there was minimal information available online about them. IACOBVS suggested that they may have actually been named after the New York seminary.
This would seem to be a clear-cut case of a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, especially when we take into account the fact that the New York seminary is recognized internationally as a major intellectual centre of mainline Protestantism and liberal theology and its article is viewed 10 times more often than Union Presbyterian Seminary and 26 times more often than Union Theological Seminary (Philippines).
Additionally, why would we use a different title for the article versus the category? Graham (talk) 19:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Graham: we frequently do that with categories that have ambiguous names. A higher level of primacy is required for categories, otherwise it is highly likely that articles will be placed incorrectly in a category based on its name alone, without checking the scope specified on the category page. – Fayenatic London 21:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but in this case, it is nigh inconceivable that a user would place an article incorrectly in this category. Three of the other institutions have never shared a name with the New York seminary, so there is no ambiguity. One of them hasn't shared a name with the New York seminary for years. And – given that the Philippine seminary appears to be so insignificant that I would be shocked to learn that there is even a single academic there that meets our notability standards – there is no risk that anyone would assume it to have its own category or that an article that belongs in such a theoretical category would even exist. Graham (talk) 16:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Notified: User talk:Station1, User talk:IACOBVS, User talk:Walrasiad, User talk:Robertsky. Reason: Participated in the RM discussion. Graham (talk) 19:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Notified: Talk:Union Theological Seminary, WT:WikiProject Christianity/Noticeboard, WT:WikiProject Columbia University, WT:WikiProject Higher education, WT:WikiProject New York (state), WT:WikiProject New York City, WT:WikiProject Reformed Christianity. Graham (talk) 19:21, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Seems most logical and within policy. Ergo Sum 20:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support based on the fact that the proposed names are currently redlinks and there is little likelihood of them becoming ambiguous among categories in the foreseeable future. Station1 (talk) 03:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC) <responding to ping>[reply]
  • Support per nom and for the above rationales stated. Disambiguation is not needed for these 3 articles per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. IACOBVS (talk) 04:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC) <responding to ping>[reply]
  • Comment: If not changed per proposed, then recommend changing to Category:Union Theological Seminary (New York) to shorten. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 12:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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